Can the afa-CWA Really Deliver?
The Association of Flight Attendants -
Communication Workers of America ("afa-CWA") is promising us the
"dignity and respect" of a contract. It says that it can
protect you from management. It says that it can improve your lives
and give you safety and security. We have compiled a few comments
from flight attendants already represented by the afa-CWA.
These comments were by a Mesaba flight attendant. Mesaba is a
smaller carrier similar to Frontier in size and importance to the afa-CWA. This is what the Mesaba Flight attendant thought about
We at Mesaba have a tentative
agreement reached 2-15 by the AFA. They have been negotiating for almost
2 yrs. A lot of people think its a crappy contract (me included) Pay
raise is a dollar which leaves us with about 30 bux a month extra after
dues and taxes. Also the majority of the contract is what our manual
says, just now put in writing so they have to enforce it. MEC is
supporting it, b/c they are all tired of negotiating and AFA is tired of
not getting paid.
The company wants to get it done, b/c NWA said no CRJs till our and the
Pilots contracts are done and they don't want to deal with both of us at
the same time (pilots contract is up in June)
Personally I think they [AFA] are a bunch of crap and I hope it gets
voted down and we get them out. The Teamsters may be a bunch of
mobsters, but they get stuff done.
By the way unions go, AFA is
probably pretty good. I'm just not happy with how they represent smaller
airlines. We have had a tentative agreement since 2-15 (which i think is
CRAP) and they haven't mentioned it on their main page yet. It seems
like AFA is ruled/controlled by United. Delta is getting a lot of news
right now b/c AFA was voted down with them.
Like I said before its a Money game. United has sooo many thousands of
FA's that it seems they are going to fight harder for them. With us,
they wanted to hurry up and get something done so they could start
getting money from us. This I don't agree with. Then they are telling us
that if we don't sign this contract we will lose everything and won't
get any thing better. The pay alone for anyone thats been here is a
joke. We haven't received a cost of living in over 2 years (rampies
non-union have gotten 19%) and when we started negotiations they pulled
our bonuses. And they want to give us a dollar and tell us its great? I
don't think so. An extra $30 dollars a month ($75 gurantee-40 for dues
-5 for taxes) is pure crap after getting nothing for over 2 years.
I agree with the Union but I think they need to fight for the little guy
more, even if they don't get as much money b/c that's what they are
Another thing to consider, once
AFA was voted in at our company, all of our performance bonuses halted,
no raises no nothing. We haven't got a thing since we started negotiating
and things have actually got worse, b/c we have nothing but our manual
to go by, and they don't even follow that, b/c "we don't have a
It took almost 2 years for our small airline to reach a tentative
agreement( WHICH IS CRAP)
Imagine how long it would take at DAL
I don't know what kind of raises/bonuses you guys get or other benefits,
but you better believe most of that would get yanked as soon as AFA was
this thread for yourself
The afa-CWA says that it will protect you. Midway airlines went
bankrupt after 9/11. When the Federal Government came forward with
the bail-out money, Midway restarted. Here what one flight attendant
said about how the AFA protected them:
I can verify that
Midway is recalling flight attendants based on criteria other than
seniority. In fact, the local LEC president is number 6 on the seniority
list and has not been recalled; the secretary is number 39, and both
number 38 and number 40 were recalled. The inflight department at Midway
has notified the elected reps from AFA in writing that they will not
honor the tentative agreement regarding furlough and recall, and has
also stated that they are not willing to resume mediation which was
asked for prior to the ch. 11 filing. IMHO, this is blatent union
busting tactics, and I feel that any flight attendant who accepts a
recall position at Midway out of seniority order is no better than
someone who crosses a picket line. For the record, all flight attendants
at Midway were qualified on all types of a/c that Midway flew, including
this thread for yourself.
Even at UAL, flight attendants are not happy with afa-CWA
representation. There is one group at UAL that wants to decertify
the afa-CWA and start their own independent union, the United
Flight Attendant's Union. Visit the UFAU website information about just how popular the AFA is
with UAL members. Here is what one UAL flight attendant said:
I don't know if there are any
f/a's at UAL, myself included, who can say they actually support AFA
100% muchless respect them. I am flying for over 10 years and found out
AFA's true colors a while ago. If you need AFA's help, GOD help you.
They are an antiquated system that is in it for themselves and
themselves only. Our $39 goes towards what? In all my years of flying I
have yet to receive a statement of what my dues ($39 x 12 months) goes
to. No one can actually account for it. It is the biggest sham going. At
at UAL you better believe that AFA sleeps with Management. AFA is
working for "their" best interest not ours. It's sad and it's
going to take some time to get rid of them.
All I can say is Delta Flight Attendants, you don't know how smart
you are to have voted AGAINST AFA. Bravo to you. Believe me, you will
come out on top by not letting them destroy all you have and will have.
All I can say is UAL Pilots 40% raise, UAL mechanics 40% raise both
have five year contracts -- AFA represented flight attendants --
10 year contract - 0% raise. Oh I am sorry, I think it worked out to a
2% raise over the 10 years.
Did I ever say THANK YOU AFA?
Need I say anymore?
this thread for yourself
Another United Flight Attendant
Here is what another UAL flight attendant said:
my take on this. I am greatly moved what happened to
the world on sept 11th but I am trying to forget and move on as I had
friends involved in the crash. Each week I get mail from AFA
"using" the united Flight Attendants involved in the crash to
raise Money when I found out that not ONE family of the victims has
received a check from AFA yet. I know AFA does not give a crap about
Flight Attendants as all we are to them is $39.00 a month. AFA is a
multi million dollar business now not even a union. And getting these
manipulating mail using innocent victims pictures to "REFRESH"
our memories and playing mind games with us is not helping us recover
but push us more in to depressed moods. What do you guys think of this?
Do you think AFA should stop using these tactics to collect money as so
far they have not helped any families and to think they made millions
from us that when our fellow crews got laid off, they would have been
given at least a $200 dollar check to help buy food for furloughed
crews. They got NOTHING. AFA.....FOR or AGAINST? I believe this is
morally WRONG for a union to do this to their own members. I wish they
would STOP using my friends photos to manipulate us. Your comments
this thread for yourself
||As you have read, the afa-CWA's ability to represent
you is dubious at best. It has trouble representing the flight
attendants who already are members. The Mesaba flight attendant
feels like the big companies dominate the afa-CWA and get all of the
resources. The flight attendants from UAL feel like the afa-CWA does not
represent their interests well. They feel that the afa-CWA will play on
the emotions of members to try to manipulate them.
Is that the kind of union that you
want to represent you?
At Delta, we have already said no
me directly to the DeltaFA Talk Discussion Board